Harness , hard shell back
21/05/2018 at 00:24 #53361
My last harness I replaced , I looked at and tried on Ride Engine, Mystic Hardshell , ION Hard , Da Kine T8. I opted for the Mystic Legend, which is lightweight, and the material does not absorb water.
Did not test tequila or scotch. Pleased with it so far, I do honestly feel that its lighter, without the H20 . Robbie Swift color version.
Harnesses all seem to make the same claim , they dont ride up, not had one yet that conforms to that. I really like the Legend.
OTOH or ALSO ::I also purchased a Da Kine 2016 new C1, which is the generation ono of the hardshell, it has 3 segments that cover the back and portions of the sides, the hard bit is not carbon, but some molded space age NASA type material. Lighter by weight then the Mystic. This is a kite (gasp) harness, but change the bar and its a windsurf one.
It’s slightly smaller than the Mystic, in back width. This was a steal at 50% off, with the Kite bar swap with the windsurf one.
My take on the hard shell versions, ALL that I tried, is they need to be tight to work. Ride Engine , for 2 years , now with Slingshot has better quality, in 2018.
I found fitting and walking around with the harness , trying it on a stationary loop is the best option. I also found size even between the same brand is not consistent.
The Mystic Legend has a cross bar of firm support on the back. To me its the best of a new generation29/05/2018 at 09:09 #53690
I have just purchased a new ‘old stock’ dakine T6. £45 including postage. Bargain, I have used seat harness for years as i have a bad back and never had a problem with a seat harness however at this price I thought i’d give them another go. And, i have found that every time i rent gear now i have no choice but a waist harness so I might need to move with the times.02/06/2018 at 16:47 #53969
I don’t like the clasp on Da Kine so much.Otherwise just ok, I think they survive in a multi market, by their name being established , and a dealer network . The T8 , was in my radar but not a star.
Very very good price, and like some other things, its very personal
Hope yo get on02/06/2018 at 22:46 #53974
The waist harness is in my opinion a flawed design. Recent developments have seen more and more stiffener of one type or another integrated into the designs in order to try to provide some element of support…and with it, some ridiculous price hikes. There is only one part of the body suitable to take the pressures exerted through a harness and that is the pelvis/hips…not the waist. On the human body the waist only has the spine for support and its primary strength is in the vertical plane not being pulled horizontally. The lack of skeletal support at the waist is to enable the body to twist and tilt. A waist harness supposedly allows more freedom of movement, yet it is effectively strapping the very part of the body designed to enable that flexibility!
Assuming some upward forces are exerted on the harness hook a waist harness will ride up unless the riders body shape ( narrow waist, broad shoulders) is a “V”. Wearing a waist harness tight around the waist restricts all the soft tissue contained within the abdomen. The fit will in any case only be tight as long as the rider does not contract their stomach muscles…..and core muscles are in constant tension in windsurfing. So in my opinion the waist harness is a flawed design not seen in any other discipline I know where a harness is required. So why do so many people use them? I fear it is manufacturer led fashion and little else.
I use a Prolimit seat harness….and yes I have used a waist harness for a season, so I gave the waist harness an extended opportunity to prove me wrong. In my experience my seat harness is lighter, less bulky and no more restrictive than the waist harness. My windsurfing also improved once I changed back to using a seat harness.04/06/2018 at 10:41 #54001
Interesting view freerider. I agree with a lot of that around skeletal and muscle structure and where the optimum position for a harness is. I’m going to give the waist harness a go this season as i have never given one an extensive try out (only various rentals and other bits and pieces). The main reason I have not made the switch is my 15+ year old North seat harness is working fine with nothing structurally wrong with it, just looks a bit tired. In the last 10 / 15 years seats harnesses have got less and less common so getting my own and giving it a prolonged test is an itch i needed to scratch.
Re the back injury, i have issues from old biking and snowboarding crashes. As a result i can get occasional stiffness and sometimes pulled muscles which are a nightmare however windsurfing doesn’t seem to be a problem with either waist or seat harnesses. A waist harness does seem to provide support in the right area (although it does put the load through the same support).04/06/2018 at 15:28 #54021
Interesting , view yes.05/06/2018 at 15:47 #54060
I use seat harness for blasting 6-7.5m on fla boards and waist for waves and sailing rough water 4.2m-6m on wave baords. Both are comfortable and best at what they are intended to offer.05/06/2018 at 23:23 #54073
The newer 2018 version are quite pricy, esp those that have carbon.
Since my fins are composite , I think my harness can be as well.06/06/2018 at 19:32 #54146
Regarding freeriders post. It is only a flawed design if you do not intend to move about while windsurfing. Imagine going to the Gym & doing a workout with a seat harness on… now do it with a waist harness. Your reasoning is what is flawed if you think the primary mobility you need is twisting your torso. If you are just sailing back & forth with the occasional jibe thrown in, then yes, a seat harness can be better. But for everything else, nothing beats the mobility of a good fitting waist harness.07/06/2018 at 22:25 #54203
I keep hearing people say that seat harnesses restrict movement….maybe they are thinking of old designs..I don’t know, but I feel absolutely no restriction from mine. I don’t even bother taking it off or releasing the bar if I take a break and sit in the van having a coffee………I would if I had a waist harness on!
I’m not knocking those that choose to use a waist harness, just pointing out that they expect the least well equipped part of the body to support any force exerted through them. I fully accept that for wave sailing where the stance is more upright, the power in the sail far smaller and the amount of time the harness is actually needed is minimal a waist harness would be OK.08/06/2018 at 00:02 #54208
All interesting views.
If i had to waer one and do some other sporting activity – waist harness for sure.
Does my seat harness inhibit movement – no i’d say the opposite, my upper body is free to move as the forces from the rig are locked on my hips. With the harness lower my leg muscles come in to play more and it has always felt just right for me.08/06/2018 at 02:21 #54210
Was never my intent to start a comparison , but carry on.08/06/2018 at 13:42 #54246
I got a few hard shell harnesses from Pro Limit in, I just had a new harness so not tried it myself (may still do so) but I sold a few and they are very happy.
The main difference between waist and seat harnesses is the hook position on your body. With a higher hook you have more weight on your feet and can control and turn a board better and your boom can stay high which is good for wave riding unhooked.
Not sure but maybe a seat harness could actually give more force on your spine as any shock from chop could be passed on via the harness to your pelvis and everything above is pressing down. Where a seat harness could actually unweight your lower back. I know one friend who has a bad lower back says a waist harness is better for him. But there may just as well be cases where it is the other way around.08/06/2018 at 17:52 #54282
It may be true that modern Seat harness offer more mobility – especially when not sailing. However even given good static mobility, This locking the forces from the rig on the hips is exactly what I’m referring to. As Load increases you are more & more locked. This is great for sailing in a straight line, but makes it very difficult to “break stance” when it comes to performing any kind of maneuvers. The waist harness allows the legs & hips to be free from rig load & concentrate more on adapting to chop bashing swell or waves etc… If I was sailing slalom or freeride gear I might be inclined to sail a seat harness. However as is I see no dis-advantage to a good fitting waist harness for my sailing. I used to use seat harness exclusively but it just does not suit my sailing style any longer. To say a waist harness is a flawed design is just not true.08/06/2018 at 21:43 #54297
@ Witchcraft…………..I know some people with back problems find a waist harness better maybe because it provides support to that part of the spine a bit like a girdle. It does depend on what sort of injury there is to the back and where that injury is. A better solution however for some forms of lower back pain…..and it sounds contradictory………is to do exercises that strengthen the muscles in the back that are there to support the spine. As always, the best course of action is to be guided by a specialist….but that was the pro advise I was given after injuring my back playing rugby many years ago.
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